Hi Dave, I recently learned that TFUS PP'S fractions are not adjusted Quirin style between horses at different distances to make head to head comparisons. The fractions reflect only what the horse ran at that particular distance, not projected to todays distance. Do you have any instructional video of how I could use the par times to convert each horse to todays distance? I'm not quiet sure if I would use the track pars, class levels for todays race, or what. Thank you!

Hi Dave, I recently learned that TFUS PP'S fractions are not adjusted Quirin style between horses at different distances to make head to head comparisons. The fractions reflect only what the horse ran at that particular distance, not projected to todays distance. Do you have any instructional video of how I could use the par times to convert each horse to todays distance? I'm not quiet sure if I would use the track pars, class levels for todays race, or what. Thank you! — jess boyd

First, I do have a video that shows how I use par times.

But your problem is different because you're getting the time of the horse rather than the race, so the approach would be different.

But there is good news...

When you look at a horse's paceline, just treat it like HIS TIME was the RACE TIME and ignore his beaten lengths.

It's actually easier.

Here's a link to that video

Thank you Dave. As I understand it, the TFUS fractions are all adjusted for the actual time that the horse ran so I wouldn't need to be concerned with beaten lengths, and track to track adjustments have already been accounted for as well. The only thing I would like is the distance equalization for each horse in todays race.

For instance todays race is at 6F and one entrant last ran at 6 1/2 F and another entrant ran at 7F. Could I merely take the par times to adjust each fraction of each entrants last race to reflect what the times compare to at todays distance of 6F so that all runners are all comparable?

Thanks again for your help!

The only thing I would like is the distance equalization for each horse in todays race. — jess boyd

That's what Par Times are for.
There is not purely formulaic way to do it that actually works.

It's just like Beyer's idea - 2 points per length at 6f to 3 points at 9f.

That concept is (basically) "If I beat you by 2 lengths at 6f I'll beat you by 3 lengths at 9f."

The problem is that the average beaten lengths (between 1st and 2nd finishers) from 6f to 9f is not even close to 150%. More like 7%.

My belief is that the reason is horses don't run full speed for the entire race. They run fast to the 1st call and as fast as possible in the stretch.

I understand what you are saying, thanks!

What I have difficulty with is comparing say a sprinters half mile time compared to a routers half mile time. Or say a sprinters 6F final time compared to a routers 6F time. I was thinking Quirin style pars such as yours might give me a ballpark or decent comparison.

I appreciate it, thanks!

I understand what you are saying, thanks!

What I have difficulty with is comparing say a sprinters half mile time compared to a routers half mile time. Or say a sprinters 6F final time compared to a routers 6F time. I was thinking Quirin style pars such as yours might give me a ballpark or decent comparison.

I appreciate it, thanks! — jess boyd

Ah... not what I thought you were asking.
That is ALWAYS a problem.

The numbers themselves should do that for you.
The issue of whether or not a given horse will run to the front with a distance change is the biggest challenge.

IOW, the root problem isn't the adjustments of the ratings near as much as the adjustment of running style.

I agree completely, thank you for taking the time to answer, I appreciate it very much!